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  Topic: why Techs transmitting outside thier privileges? (26 replies)
#11     Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:13 pm
K8MHZ
Michigan
 
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Posts: 2
Subject: Re: Yuppers Live and Let Live. Why have a ticket who cares


KB3NUV wrote:

Hey why not come one come all. who cares what goes on Live and let live. Come on Techs...Kids...CBers...Moms And Dads anybody get on and transmitt no ham needed. Say and do as you wish they all agree it ain't nothing anymore. Ya use someones ticket get CQ100 and go where you want. As long as the ones in Canada get their 32.00 a year they don't care. This is for EveryOne. Why even send proof just let them down load it and use it. Ya I am all for it! Down the tubes as we do with everything we get ahold of. Um by phone ya why put bands on the program just say open to who ever. Yahoo Messenger don't even charge. ICQ is cute too the crap that goes on there. Yuppers we have degrated ourselves to a chat room full of outlaws and nobody cares real nice. You got my vote...oh ya since we are out side of the law with this, Voice anywhere you want FCC can't touch us and nobody cares. Those CW hams can't do a thing about it we out side the law. Freedom of speach bet it don't count here already been threaten if I complain they will cancel my membership. 8) :lol: :roll: :wink: :P


What the heck is your problem, man?

You act like having a General ticket is tantamount do a doctorate. Wrong. I passed my test without even studying. When I passed my Element 1 I was allowed to take the General exam for free and passed with no problem.

You have been crabbing about people that aren't even coming close to breaking any rules. Your posts are very juvenile and full of spelling and grammar errors. You are doing nothing but making enemies here.

Here is some sage advice. Grow up, take time to post with at least a modicum of diction, state your case with respect and don't misspell words. Even if people don't agree with you they will respect your opinion and respond respectfully and intelligently as well. Otherwise all you will accomplish is to be viewed as a whiner and a troublemaker.

Trust me on this. I have been a ham for more than a solar cycle and have been a participant on Internet discussion forums since the days of BBSs, TelNet and Pine, with only DOS as an operating system. Feel free not to take my advice, but you must realize that you will bear the consequences of your ignorance (root word: ignore) and won't get any support.

Sorry to sound harsh, but I offer my advice to make both ham radio and QSOnet a more enjoyable experience for you and those you interact with.

73 OM,

Mark K8MHZ
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#12     Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:21 pm
KE7RIP
Idaho, USA
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Subject: Techs and cq100 & convince me to pay $32.

Personally i'm going to follow the FCC USA regulations.
If i dont have privilages i wont transmit.
However I will listen in and "lurk" or be a "Lurker"as this forum derogitoraly calls us.

People who listen are doing what? lurking? That makes it sound like i'm bent over at some ones door with my ear to the key hole.


However I see some uses for this program.
-Meet just Ham users.
-Backup location for nets incase a repeater goes down.

Any thing else some one wants to add to convince me to pony up $32 a year for as the above poster put it, a yahoo chat program?
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#13     Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:21 pm
VE4EO
winnipeg.mb.canada
 
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Subject:

I have full privliges for ham radio operation which includes 15 wpm I have been an ham for 30 years.I still do not see what he dicussion is about
This is NOT ham radio so rules and regs do not apply after all it is internet and a chat room devoted to ham radio operators.there is no reason why whatever class you hold you all have the same use of this system ....
Why is it US stations and when read the comments that is were all the controvesy is perhaps we in Canada and other countries have a better understanding o how it works ...Norm ve4eo oboy I can hear the comments already!!!@!
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#14     Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:46 pm
KE7RIP
Idaho, USA
 
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Its called respect for the law.


10--Reguardless of where the hub lies. The origonating "packet" "voice" or whatever mode for me begins in the US for me.
20--QSO100 verifys that i am a ham.
30--If you dont have privilages dont use it.
40--There for... Reread the post in circular fasion a couple of times goto 10

If i lived in canada or new zeland i'd follow their codes for live air radio transmitions too.


So whos going to convince me to spend the $32 a year for a ham only pc voice/cw/pic ftp program?
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#15     Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:51 pm
KE7RIP
Idaho, USA
 
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Subject:

To ve4eo

To answer one of your questions.

1> You are verified as to being a ham.
2> The "chat program" looks like a radio.
3> See ham do ham. To translate that into a military phrase. You fight like you train and you train like you fight. So if your program looks like a radio you act like a ham user. You know all those rules and regs that pertain to being a good opperator and promoting the hobby.
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#16     Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:56 pm
VE4EO
winnipeg.mb.canada
 
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Realy this has got pretty silly KC7rip starts by say about laws yes there are laws concerning HAM radio but this NOT radio so what laws appliy in any countrie to internet I said before and I will say it again if you do not understand this is only simulation,,,, well it leaves spechless there are no laws on the internet.If was on HF that wouilod be different but agin this is only playing radio ........Norm
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#17     Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:00 pm
KE7RIP
Idaho, USA
 
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Subject:

Might i suggest you edit your post to check for spelling? Thanks.
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#18     Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:08 pm
KE7RIP
Idaho, USA
 
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Subject:

"Playing radio" right. I made that point to.

But i'll leave it at this.
Some people will use the software as just a chat program.
Others will practice using it like a real radio with bounteries and guildlines.
By practicing good habits you learn your limits on a real radio.

And this Email i got should say it all.

Douglas VE3EFC to me
show details Feb 24 Reply


Qsonet does not enforce band and license restrictions by license class for any country.
Techs can transmit on any Qsonet band and frequency, as long as they follow the mode restrictions.

http://www.qsonet.com/qbb/viewtopic.php?t=24

73, Doug
- Show quoted text -



On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:42 PM, JM-SteelWolf < @gmail.com> wrote:

I was comparing your available bands and the compatibility of a USA issued license.
None of the Mhz you offer seem to be for a Technician class using voice. Your software seem to be geared more for the General class user. Was this deliberate? Because if I cant legally use your software I don't see my self purchasing it. It does have a nice look and feel and sounds great. It would be good for SW listening for Tech level users it seems. Unless I get CW certified.

Thank you for the reply. Perhaps I'm just looking at the chart wrong in my trying to be carefull on what bands I transmit on to comply with FCC regulations.



Technician classes
3.5 MHz
Novice and Technician classes:
3.525-3.600 MHz: CW Only

07 MHZ
Novice and Technician classes:
7.025-7.125 MHz: CW Only

14 MHZ
No Technician class use

21 MHz
Novice and Technician classes:
21.025-21.200 MHz: CW Only

29 MHz
Novice and Technician classes:
28.000-28.300 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data--Maximum power 200 watts PEP
28.300-28.500 MHz: CW, Phone--Maximum power 200 watts PEP
General, Advanced, Amateur Extra classes:
28.000-28.300 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
28.300-29.700 MHz: CW, Phone, Image




The below list is from http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/allocate.html



For each band, only those license classes with privileges on that band are listed. Technician licensees have limited privileges below 30 MHz.
US Amateur Transmitter Power Limits
At all times, transmitter power must be the minimum necessary to carry out the desired communications. Unless otherwise noted, the maximum power output is 1500 watts PEP. Novice/Technicians are limited to 200 watts PEP on HF bands. Geographical power restrictions apply to the 70 cm, 33 cm and 23 cm bands; see The FCC Rule Book for details.
160 Meters
General, Advanced, Amateur Extra licensees:
1.800-2.000 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, RTTY/Data
80 Meters
Novice and Technician classes:
3.525-3.600 MHz: CW Only
General class:
3.525-3.600 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
3.800-4.000 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Advanced class:
3.525-3.600 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
3.700-4.000 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Amateur Extra class:
3.500-3.600 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
3.600-4.000 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
60 Meters: Five Specific Channels
The FCC has granted hams secondary access on USB only to five discrete 2.8-kHz-wide channels. Amateurs can not cause inference to and must accept interference from the Primary Government users. The NTIA says that hams planning to operate on 60 meters "must assure that their signal is transmitted on the channel center frequency." This means that amateurs should set their carrier frequency 1.5 kHz lower than the channel center frequency.
General, Advanced and Amateur Extra classes:
Channel Center Amateur Tuning Frequency
5332 kHz 5330.5 kHz
5348 kHz 5346.5 kHz
5368 kHz 5366.5 kHz
5373 kHz 5371.5 kHz
5405 kHz (common US/UK) 5403.5 kHz

Amateurs may use USB *only* with a maximum effective radiated power (ERP) of 50 W. Radiated power must not exceed the equivalent of 50 W PEP transmitter output power into an antenna with a gain of 0 dBd. For details, see the 60 Meter FAQ page.
40 Meters
Novice and Technician classes:
7.025-7.125 MHz: CW Only
General class:
7.025-7.125 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
7.175-7.300 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Advanced class:
7.025-7.125 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
7.125-7.300 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Amateur Extra class:
7.000-7.125 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
7.125-7.300 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Note: Phone and Image modes are permitted between 7.075 and 7.100 MHz for FCC licensed stations in ITU Regions 1 and 3 and by FCC licensed stations in ITU Region 2 West of 130 degrees West longitude or south of 20 degrees North latitude. See Section 97.307(f)(11). Novice and Technician licensees outside ITU Region 2 may use CW only between 7.050 and 7.075 MHz. See Section 97.301(e). These exemptions do not apply to stations in the continental US.
30 Meters
Maximum power, 200 watts PEP. Amateurs must avoid interference to the fixed service outside the US.
General, Advanced, Amateur Extra classes:
10.100-10.150 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
20 Meters
General class:
14.025-14.150 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
14.225-14.350 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Advanced class:
14.025-14.150 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
14.175-14.350 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Amateur Extra class:
14.000-14.150 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
14.150-14.350 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
17 Meters
General, Advanced, Amateur Extra classes:
18.068-18.110 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
18.110-18.168 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
15 Meters
Novice and Technician classes:
21.025-21.200 MHz: CW Only
General class:
21.025-21.200 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
21.275-21.450 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Advanced class:
21.025-21.200 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
21.225-21.450 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
Amateur Extra class:
21.000-21.200 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
21.200-21.450 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
12 Meters
General, Advanced, Amateur Extra classes:
24.890-24.930 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
24.930-24.990 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
10 Meters
Novice and Technician classes:
28.000-28.300 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data--Maximum power 200 watts PEP
28.300-28.500 MHz: CW, Phone--Maximum power 200 watts PEP
General, Advanced, Amateur Extra classes:
28.000-28.300 MHz: CW, RTTY/Data
28.300-29.700 MHz: CW, Phone, Image
6 Meters
All Amateurs except Novices:
50.0-50.1 MHz: CW Only
50.1-54.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
2 Meters
All Amateurs except Novices:
144.0-144.1 MHz: CW Only
144.1-148.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
1.25 Meters
The FCC has allocated 219-220 MHz to amateur use on a secondary basis. This allocation is only for fixed digital message forwarding systems operated by all licensees except Novices. Amateur operations must not cause interference to, and must accept interference from, primary services in this and adjacent bands. Amateur stations are limited to 50 W PEP output and 100 kHz bandwidth. Automated Maritime Telecommunications Systems (AMTS) stations are the primary occupants in this band. Amateur stations within 398 miles of an AMTS station must notify the station in writing at least 30 days prior to beginning operations. Amateur stations within 50 miles of an AMTS station must get permission in writing from the AMTS station before beginning operations. ARRL Headquarters maintains a database of AMTS stations. The FCC requires that amateur operators provide written notification including the station's geographic location to the ARRL for inclusion in a database at least 30 days before beginning operations. See Section 97.303(e) of the FCC Rules.
Novice (Novices are limited to 25 watts PEP output), Technician, General, Advanced, Amateur Extra classes:
222.00-225.00 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
70 Centimeters
All Amateurs except Novices:
420.0-450.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
33 Centimeters
All Amateurs except Novices:
902.0-928.0 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
23 Centimeters
Novice class:
1270-1295 MHz: CW, phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data (maximum power, 5 watts PEP)
All Amateurs except Novices:
1240-1300 MHz: CW, Phone, Image, MCW, RTTY/Data
Higher Frequencies:
All modes and licensees (except Novices) are authorized on the following bands [FCC Rules, Part 97.301(a)]:
2300-2310 MHz
2390-2450 MHz
3300-3500 MHz
5650-5925 MHz
10.0-10.5 GHz
24.0-24.25 GHz
47.0-47.2 GHz
76.0-81.9 GHz*
119.98-120.02 GHz
142-149 GHz
241-250 GHz
All above 300 GHz
* Amateur operation at 76-77 GHz has been suspended till the FCC can determine that interference will not be caused to vehicle radar systems
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#19     Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:05 pm
VE4EO
winnipeg.mb.canada
 
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Well if all you have to worry about is spelling MISTAKES good for you ..funny every country in the world have there own nethods of grading ham radio licenses and the only country who has quired who can use what section or band has been the USA ....Norm
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#20     Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:30 pm
KE7RIP
Idaho, USA
 
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i was refering to the mistake in kC7rip VS kE7rip. Have a nice day.
You are dismissed.
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